Tyrone van leyen

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  Science of the Bible: crucifixion

  by cameo-d in

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  this is an excellent national geograpic special!.

  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7myqg_national-geographic-channel-science_travel.

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  Tyrone van leyen

  That's true Cameo. It's the first vid that's open, but I looked for your title and didn't see it. Probably there, but I can't find it.
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  Science of the Bible: crucifixion

  by cameo-d in

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  this is an excellent national geograpic special!.

  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7myqg_national-geographic-channel-science_travel.

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  Tyrone van leyen

  That was a good National geographic clip. My brothers are twins. But Cameo, your topic of science and crucifixion has me puzzled somewhat. I don't see the connection.
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  If you sign up for Secret Santa follow through.....

  by restrangled in

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  right now i am a little pissed off.

  for the second year out of 3 i have sent some one something and spent more than was needed to because i care about x jws.

  last year i had a very happy recipient and that made me happy!

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Sorry R. I get you now. Oh well, too late. Merry Christmas anyways. I wasn't aware of secret Santa.

  I guess I'll just keep shovelling snow, till my arms fall off.
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  Giving talks and self dellusion

  by Tyrone van leyen in

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  hey folks, you know another way of looking at a kingdom hall beleive it or not, is a public speaking club.

  in my opinion, and i'm a born in, i was enrolled early in the minisrty school.

  was it the same for you other born ins?.

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Hey folks, you know another way of looking at a Kingdom Hall beleive it or not, is a public speaking club. In my opinion, and I'm a born in, I was enrolled early in the minisrty school. Was it the same for you other born ins?

  This means that this building is a club, in which you are trained to be a public speaker. My assessment is that the audience is coaxed somewhat, into giving a heavier applaude for early beginners. But is it real feedback, or audince politeness. To be honest I was a guy in High School with a lot of homework, and I always waited to the last hour sometimes, to prepare my talks. I guess the fact that I could do this gave me some confidence, but does that mean I'm good? Not necessarily. Did you really feel you were trained well to give talks? How would you honestly rate yourself? Did you ever give a big talk at a district convention? Did it make you feel powerful, scared, disassociated somewhat?

  For me as a born in, I beleived what I was teaching, this gave me conviction. Did you really beleive what you were teaching?

  My family is mostly male and we always gave talks, so maybe it even got a little competitive. I was winning public speaking contests at school, almost every year since grade one, so based on outside data, I would have rated myself as very good..... then.

  To be honest I havn't spoken in 25 years. I know I could still do it. But who knows, mediocre to good? I never gave biggie talks, or hour long and I am amazed at folks who can take over at the last minute, when somebody calls in sick. I would say thats gotta be some pressure.

  Are you women glad you never had to do it, or did you want to? If it wasn't a public speaking club for you, what was it? Were those presentations a humilating stifling of your real abilities, or did you really see that as being your place?

  If you ever seen American Idol ,you see somefolks who no matter how awful they sound, they think they sound great? It's a self dellusion.

  I've come to reverse my thinking on the matter with regards to the hall, somewhat. What the hall is also training you for, is subjection, and order, and no fire and brimstone. Does mean charisma wasn't possible, and that the more you subject yourself to the higher talks, the more in subjection you become to the style they wish of you. Bible talks are a serious busines you know. Your material is all important. If you joke too much, they won't take it serious. What makes you even think your jokes were funny? If you look back now, were they?

  Sorry I like taking things apart. The last thing anyone wants in a Kingdom Hall is to be bored to death. But wern't we all bored to death? If you think about it, there's definately ego gratification in here, for a real dull environment. A real male dominated enviornment, a real Rutherford constructed, ego enviornment. Where the biggest illusion may be our own self agrandisement.

  The Pecking order for public speakers consisted of Rutherford at the top. I would imagine the ego dynamics change, as you climb the pyramid. ( No pun intended)

  Remember Freddies 75 speech..... People were in awe! But the truth is, no one understood a friggin word of his typical atypical nonsense. The garblings of a crusty old nutbar! To be honest it was his material. What could be more exciting than everybody dieing in 1975, and you moving into their empty homes. No need to answer all questions. Just a few things to ponder.
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  i got a "G" on my #4 tonite!

  by bonnzo in

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  i had the #4 talk tonite on 2nd peter-why beneficial.

  i talked about you mean ol' postates.

  i used 2pet 2:1-3 and even said the internet was a tool of satan to snare christians today.

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Let me get this straight. You used your second Peter, to do a #4? In my day we only had one.

  Okay here's my suggestion, if you got a G. I'm assuming you mean Gonereah. Try blocking off your first Peter, and Piss out your ass as a #3. This will help the burning for now, until you get to a clinic.

  Incidently, do you mind if I borrow your second Peter someday?
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  If you could

  by John Doe in

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  not merely ban religion, but cause people to believe in only sensible, testable things, thereby quashing anything related to religion, would you do it?

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Ban religion. You mean ban fairy tales. Sure. But i'd offer alternatives to the delinquent parent sydrome. As a race of beings that can collectively create a better world through intelligence and reality, the elimination of pain, would be one of my first priorities.

  Part of the disease problem, with religion is because its not based on any form of reality, there are no tools to work with in the real world.

  The advancement of our objectives as a species are being hindered because of this.
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  If you could

  by John Doe in

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  not merely ban religion, but cause people to believe in only sensible, testable things, thereby quashing anything related to religion, would you do it?

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Yes Jonathan, yes. Don't mind me. I'm having some wine again. Gracie is shunning me right now too.. A demonstartaion of unconditional christian love and the ability to shun as witnesses do, but....

  But, I have often wondered what God as an entity would do if the entire world woke up tommorow, and in unision, said " We don't want want you! We don't beleive your ways or ideas are good for anyone.!"

  What would become of God. Would he get embarrassed and say " Ok, I'll just be leaving now, sorry for being a jerk, and then the clouds turn a pinkish hue of red, signifying his rejection and embarassment.

  I mean what would he do! Get angry and kill everyone, like a pissed off child who doesn't get his way\?

  Would he talk it out and start a dialogue with people, who have an IQ over 50. The whole premise is silly and manmade.
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  Let Your Passion Move You

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  aunt rose had been writing down her thoughts from the moment she learned to put pencil to paper.

  feeding rose's fervid imagination were the tales spinning about in the old and dusty books left behind by the last tenants of the decrepit farmhouse.

  she fairly devoured each and every tattered, dog-eared page.

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Good story Coco. Good to see you again!

  Yes, the inner passion. It's a pioneering entreprenerial soul here. It is the spirit of the American dream really. Following your inner light and persevering until dreams come to fruition. Despite the circumstance, despite others veiws.

  These are principals in spirit which are still valid today. She did what she loved, and it became her reality!

  Passion is the key.

  Who did the work? It's the same with any enterprise. I doubt Bill Gates made a billion computers, but he got on the ground floor of something that he felt passionate about. His philanthopic efforts give back to those that helped to make it possible.

  In a corporate sense he is a role model, far better than those who give, cuz they're told to. ( religions who pay not taxes and weary the flock with endless diatribes.)
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  Do You Like Teenagers?

  by snowbird in

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  i mean really like them?.

  4 of my 6 g'kids are now teenagers.

  i can't stand them.. an old lady once told me that you've got to hate them (teenagers) before you can really love them.. i think she was on to something.. sylvia.

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  Tyrone van leyen

  John Doe. Colon Blow, sounds an awful lot like Colin Powell. I just had to say that. Isn't this the same product, used for the removal of hemmroids?

  Teenagers. You better listen to me!

  Ah shit, I can already see the rotten tomatoes flyin.

  Teen agers can be cool, and, know a lot more of whats going on, than ya might think. Let em live, Let em love. It's their day, I can be cool about it....... but don't step on my toes ......and we'll be fine.
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  Does Resurrection require your DNA?

  by cameo-d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just wondering because if you are cremated i don't there there are any trases of dna left in ashes.. .

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  Tyrone van leyen

  To me, the idea of Dna isn't even a question. All of what makes who you are, who everyone is, can be found in a clump of soil in your back yard. It's only a matter of how the universe arranges it into whatever it wants. The whole planet is alive and it's life systems seem more based on renewal and regeneration, than resurrection, despite what we would like to beleive.

  Every year, the grass that dies beneath the snow, re emerges the next year. It's the same soil and the same design every time. With the exception of course, of those changes that take place through evolution.

  The idea of a life form remaining in the same container throughout eternity, is just not the way the universe works. All civilizations of the past have died, and yet here we are again, in fine form.

  However you want to imagine your own recycled body is anyones guess. I don't know what, if any choice we have in the matter. The rule of entropy has never been broken. But I tend to look at death and life, as one in the same. Just as it is with everything else. Opposites. You can't have one without the other.

  Can you remember what it was like being dead? You were dead a lot longer than you've ever been alive. No you can't. Guess it's not so bad then, eh. All things must pass. I'll talk to y' all later, in your new form.